What's your religion X2
Dear members, I just wanted to ask you the following thing:
There are many patriots on this site, I believe, and many of you care for your own nation. I see here in Russia that there's not so many people remembering their own Dear Gods and their own Faith (I do not use the word "religion" in order not to offend the true believers). But there are some, and I am proud to know this (there are some guys not registered on this forum). Is there anybody who remembers his Dear Gods? Any Pagans here?
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Permalink Reply by Cruel_Destiny on -
What are you on about Kevin? You seem to get offended easily by what I say and honestly I am not trying to say shit to you except I think you are pretty cool. Good discussions....hmmm
Or maybe I am taking your post the wrong way?
Kevin Hall said:This is what I was told and shown by a General in the (his Islamic country) Army. Add the transcript of a (his country) Marjas Ayatollah and I tended to believe what this person was saying. Stupidly, I decided to look into it for myself and studied further. Thinking if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a duck. Obviously I was wrong, one plus one doesn't equal two and I'm just a bigot?
Myep ... I was going to say, unlike the Bible, the Qu'ran is a strict translation and then quote numerous passages, but after saying I didn't get my information from texts or biased media reports I didn't bother. So good luck, and remember, I'm full of shit and don't know diddly squat so why worry, there will be no wars, no conflicts and everything is peachy so keep saying your prayers and Santa may bring you a really nice Chrissy present ...
Cruel_Destiny said:Umm, you know the ideology behind Islamic "extremism" it actually isn't "extreme". If you read the Qu'ran front to back... and look into old commentaries by more elder scholars (from the time of teh Ottoman Empire) they will validate and show concerns regarding the very exact thing we are speaking about now... and they were Muslims! Nowadays it is VERY hard to find a bad translation by a leading Islamic Scholar... though the commentaries will be atrocious as they tend to paint over or entirely remove parts of the book from their peering eye!
The Hadith, which is the sayings of the prophet Muhammad, are second only to the Qu'ran and contain muich further elaborations on things such as menstruation to burning those in their homes who Fail to wake for Fadj (morning prayer).(sp?) I think that is the prayer... anyways. Both these sources actually support the actions of the extremists while still supporting the acts of being "moderate"... the only thing is that the "moderates" cannot question or belittle the actions of the "extremists". The only time they can is when the "extremists" actions are not outlined and/or go against the teachings in the Qu'ran/Hadith. This is why we never hear a public outcry from "moderate" Muslims regarding "extremist" behavior. Just saying... as you seem to think I don't know what I am talking about.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on -
Oh no, I didn't mean you! Sorry, I just used your info as an example of the Qu'ran and it's meaning! At least a few know what I was saying wasn't JUST my opinion. I should have said that ... my apologies :)
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on
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Yep, there it is, just spotted it the last sentence ... that damn YOU word again! This time meaning "all readers of my posts that thought a certain way" not as in a particular person.
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Permalink Reply by Psychoscot on -
Erm then you definitely didn't read what I wrote correctly! What part of "Cruel Destiny may confirm this" did you not understand! Where the hell did you get "You seem to think I don't know" My comment meant that YOU DO KNOW and may confirm further info dumbass lol :-p
Cruel_Destiny said:Just saying... as you seem to think I don't know what I am talking about.
Psychoscot said:The current Extremists don't follow either the original texts or more modern moderate versions as Cruel Destiny may confirm. Most of the texts that people like Bin laden follow were written by fanatical clerics that belong to and lecture at several Saudi Uni's and were written between the 20's and 40's. They take the extreme passages and put their own utterly crazy spin on them bringing in a more militant belief system. Basically they have done the same as what Westboro have done. They have taken the parts they want and added their own hatred in there, in this case an utter hatred of the West. Many media outlets especially in the states then report on this as Islam. While yes it does have parts of where it came from in there it has been blown till it's nothing more than a doctrine of utter hatred.
Bin Laden followed one version of this along with the Taliban/Afghan/Pakistan people, but there are others such as the modified Doctrines that are worshipped in Algeria which are basically the same hatred with a different spin on it. After 9/11 the Bush administration tried hard to push for this big conspiracy of all these countries joining to destroy us but the truth is Bin laden and his followers tried to raise funds in places like Algeria and were told to fuck off! There is no global Al Qaeda and there never has been, just lots of little groups all following their own crazy ass Doctrine............and trying to blow us up!
Basic Islam is a slightly arrogant belief system, but for those that follow a moderate path like many Christians is basically harmless although far out of date on an Equality of men and women angle. Women in Islam are servants and there to serve their husbands and raise children. Okay not so different from original Christian doctrine where women were the ultimate evil and child birth is their punishment! We moved on but unfortunately Islam and Christianity are very different, Noodles is right that Western politics still plays to old concepts brought in when Church and state were one but for the most part it's just kind of ignored. In Islamic countries Islam IS the Government, Allah comes before your kids, your husband or anything else for that matter! Asia is still several hundred years behind us in terms of stripping that power, and unfortunately in recent times that power seems to be getting an even stronger hold on these countries.
My general feeling is that because these countries are so steeped in this belief system that sooner or later there will be a full scale 3rd world war, this time against Islam. I truly believe its not a case of "if" and more a case of when it will happen and I wouldn't like to be a Muslim living in the West when it does. If they try another 9/11 the Western Military will flatten Asia, which could result in Pakistan launching their nukes as a counter strike! I hope I'm long since gone before anything like that happens, but I believe it will happen in my lifetime.
House Atlantic said:I did read some parts of the Quran just now and I agree it seems to portray its followers in a superior light; more than other religious texts do. Still, I don't think my Muslims friends have a secret agenda to convert non-believers or think they're better than me. I guess it depends how closely you follow the texts.
Psychoscot said:House Atlantic I'll state my references, 5 YEARS and a full master degree in Religious History! I even lecture on the subject from time to time! Go to a library and read a book! And Yes Kevin in general is correct. Those that deeply believe in Islam DO think they are superior but not just to Christians but basically everyone. It has always had a slight elitist attitude. Now having said that there are moderate believers just like there are Christian ones. I HAVE read Sharia law and all the original translated scriptures and by and large Islam at a basic level is NOT a peaceful religion! One of the basic principles of the original doctrines is to convert EVERYONE to Islam by force if required!
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Permalink Reply by Lifestalker on -
I hope we don't do that. I do not think the west will do another attack like they've done before.Psychoscot said:
My general feeling is that because these countries are so steeped in this belief system that sooner or later there will be a full scale 3rd world war, this time against Islam. I truly believe its not a case of "if" and more a case of when it will happen and I wouldn't like to be a Muslim living in the West when it does. If they try another 9/11 the Western Military will flatten Asia, which could result in Pakistan launching their nukes as a counter strike! I hope I'm long since gone before anything like that happens, but I believe it will happen in my lifetime.
House Atlantic said:I did read some parts of the Quran just now and I agree it seems to portray its followers in a superior light; more than other religious texts do. Still, I don't think my Muslims friends have a secret agenda to convert non-believers or think they're better than me. I guess it depends how closely you follow the texts.
Psychoscot said:House Atlantic I'll state my references, 5 YEARS and a full master degree in Religious History! I even lecture on the subject from time to time! Go to a library and read a book! And Yes Kevin in general is correct. Those that deeply believe in Islam DO think they are superior but not just to Christians but basically everyone. It has always had a slight elitist attitude. Now having said that there are moderate believers just like there are Christian ones. I HAVE read Sharia law and all the original translated scriptures and by and large Islam at a basic level is NOT a peaceful religion! One of the basic principles of the original doctrines is to convert EVERYONE to Islam by force if required!
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Permalink Reply by Cruel_Destiny on
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I wasn't stating bad to u I thought I edited...Psychosot! lol Just like Kevin I came off retarded because everytime I talk about these things everyone seems to talk crap... I actually replied to your question in the next reply. I see how it came off bad!!!!!!!!!! SORRY!
I replied with this and I thought I edited the last comment... Either way my bad and I am not trying to fight ! You make some very valid points about politics and the wars!
....Oh yeah.. worth mentioning... every version of the Qu'ran MUST state the same thing or the closest interpretation possible to the original Quy'resh dialect of Arabic in which the original is written. If not, it isn't considered the Qu'ran and is blasphemous! And Yes... the next world war has a good possibility of becoming a holy war.
This what you wanted me to confirm correct?
And House Atlantic......When reading the Qu'ran the context is VERY important. Just as in any other reading. Do not make sense of snippets... make sense of teh Sections into which it is divided. Also the context of the Qur'an is divided into the Mecca/Medina periods which greatly effects the tone of the passage.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on
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Yes, exactly ... thank you, people on here thought I was assuming or something? I only go on what I have been told from reliable sources, not the Media or other unconfirmed sources. I really appreciate your comments :)
Cruel_Destiny said:I wasn't stating bad to u I thought I edited...Psychosot! lol Just like Kevin I came off retarded because everytime I talk about these things everyone seems to talk crap... I actually replied to your question in the next reply. I see how it came off bad!!!!!!!!!! SORRY!
I replied with this and I thought I edited the last comment... Either way my bad and I am not trying to fight ! You make some very valid points about politics and the wars!
....Oh yeah.. worth mentioning... every version of the Qu'ran MUST state the same thing or the closest interpretation possible to the original Quy'resh dialect of Arabic in which the original is written. If not, it isn't considered the Qu'ran and is blasphemous! And Yes... the next world war has a good possibility of becoming a holy war.
This what you wanted me to confirm correct?
And House Atlantic......When reading the Qu'ran the context is VERY important. Just as in any other reading. Do not make sense of snippets... make sense of teh Sections into which it is divided. Also the context of the Qur'an is divided into the Mecca/Medina periods which greatly effects the tone of the passage.
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Permalink Reply by Cruel_Destiny on
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Yeah, there are many many mild muslims. that do not like that kinda stuff at all. It is kind of hard to put an entire religion into any kind of category. I know some fear that if they did speak out that there would be some kind of reaction from their own community.
Also, almost every religion I have ever encountered is full of people that consider themselves "better" than anyone else just because of their faith. Ever met a Christian that didn't believe in Hell? And that unbeliever are gonna go there? If you have I would hardly call them a "Christian" because Christ, as well as Mohammad, heavily used this tool in theri teachings.
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Permalink Reply by Cruel_Destiny on
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Damn. Sorry for killing the conversation!
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Permalink Reply by Psychoscot on
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LOL nah just been a busy weekend, I'll be back to discuss further haha!
Cruel_Destiny said:Damn. Sorry for killing the conversation!
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Permalink Reply by Nutsack of Filth on -
Everyone here should watch Four Lions by the way. It's about some Islamic jihadists who are trying to organise a terrorist attack in London, but are really just bumbling idiots most of the time who are brainwashed into thinking the way they do without really knowing why.
It's really great. A lot has been done to dehumanise all the terrorists, but most of them are just ordinary people who let a whole lot of bullshit warp their minds, and this film really exposes that at the same time as being really, really funny. A lot of it's based on true stories about failed jihadists too. And contains a character who's clearly based on David Myatt, the former Neo-Nazi who read the Koran so that he could effectively argue with the Pakistanis that he used to attack and accidentally converted to Islam in the process.
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Permalink Reply by Psychoscot on
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Yeh that's a bloody funny film!
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