should prostitution be legal??
well, this business disgust most people, but some say one should have the right and freedom to have sex with who ever they want, for what ever reason they want,, it can be dirty but can also be clean if looked after the right way,,
what do you think??
what do you think??
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Permalink Reply by Sardonicus on -
I'm with you, Dark Dreamer! ;)
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Permalink Reply by DARK DREAMER on -
seriously!!? *thought I would piss most people off and all would argue against!
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Permalink Reply by Sardonicus on
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Sex is not a job for me. For me, it always has been a private intimate thing. Exploring the soul of a person through her body. ;)
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Permalink Reply by DARK DREAMER on
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nymphetamine giiiirl said: yeah sex should be just with people you love
~then you must have been kidding around with Brittany on her "advice" forum? I read your response and wondered if it was serious or not......
nymphetamine giiiirl said:yeah sex should be just with people you love, but we can never stop prostitution cause sex sells and theres a lot of money to be made by it.
Sardonicus said:Sex is not a job for me. For me, it always has been a private intimate thing. Exploring the soul of a person through her body. ;)
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Permalink Reply by Sean's Inferno on -
Look, it's all very well condemning something because you don't agree with it or it's not your kind of thing, but the fact of the matter is, prostitution has been around since Ancient Greece and Egypt. Keeping it illegal isn't going to change a thing except for drive it further underground, wherein lie the major issues associated with it.
It's the same with drugs. Most of the "cons" of illegal drug use stem from the fact that they are, indeed, illegal and unregulated. Same with prostitution.
In the Netherlands, as someone mentioned, about 80% of the prostitutes are self-employed, and trust me, if you went there and saw them, they're not exactly dreading it at all. They seem to enjoy their jobs. You see, women can enjoy sex. A lot. But society forces them to repress these characteristics, else they be labelled a "whore" or "slut" or whatever. In the Netherlands they're just a step ahead of the curve.
They legalised prostitution, so now clients unconditionally wear condoms, the prostitutes get health checks every week, and they are taxed, meaning more dinero for the government. It has taken away virtually every negative aspect of the business. It's the same with when they legalised cannabis in the 70s and hard drug use plummeted by 10%.
Morality doesn't have much to do with it, really.
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Permalink Reply by Inhuman Affliction on -
i agree 100 %
Lol "more dinero for the goverment" Its true. thats all they care about
Sean's Inferno said:Look, it's all very well condemning something because you don't agree with it or it's not your kind of thing, but the fact of the matter is, prostitution has been around since Ancient Greece and Egypt. Keeping it illegal isn't going to change a thing except for drive it further underground, wherein lie the major issues associated with it.
It's the same with drugs. Most of the "cons" of illegal drug use stem from the fact that they are, indeed, illegal and unregulated. Same with prostitution.
In the Netherlands, as someone mentioned, about 80% of the prostitutes are self-employed, and trust me, if you went there and saw them, they're not exactly dreading it at all. They seem to enjoy their jobs. You see, women can enjoy sex. A lot. But society forces them to repress these characteristics, else they be labelled a "whore" or "slut" or whatever. In the Netherlands they're just a step ahead of the curve.
They legalised prostitution, so now clients unconditionally wear condoms, the prostitutes get health checks every week, and they are taxed, meaning more dinero for the government. It has taken away virtually every negative aspect of the business. It's the same with when they legalised cannabis in the 70s and hard drug use plummeted by 10%.
Morality doesn't have much to do with it, really.
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Permalink Reply by DARK DREAMER on
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Sean's Inferno:
I realize I did interject my posting with personal distaste on the concept~
However, my primary distaste (due to the topic header) was intended on the effects to the society....
As you must know, the US does not have a nationalized healthcare system....so, for example who is paying for the prostitutes to get those "healthchecks"? the citizens of the country (even if they support it or not!!)
I am not a liberal when it comes to societal issues. My mind leans toward the *historical meaning of conservative....
And, I do not know why you tell me that women can enjoy sex........you see, I know and I do! And the word whore is merely a word....and, it really does mean sex for money. That's like the whole word game of stewardess and flight attendant.....
Political Correctness!
Ha!
I distaste that as well.
An interesting news report I looked up and took an excerpt just for FYI (heard on the news when first announced last year....)
Amsterdam authorities said on Saturday they would halve the number of brothels and marijuana shops in the city's "red light" district and surrounding area.
The city announced plans to clean up the area a year ago and since then 109 sex "windows", from which prostitutes attract customers, have been closed. The new measures aim to reduce the number of windows to 243 from 482 last year, a city spokesman said.
Amsterdam also wants to close half of the 76 cannabis shops in the city centre.
"Money laundering, extortion and human trafficking are things you do not see on the surface but they are hurting people and the city. We want to fight this," deputy mayor of Amsterdam Lodewijk Asscher told Reuters.
-----------So it seems like things might have been spiraling out of control there over time?? even though it is legal....just an assumption..
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Permalink Reply by Sean's Inferno on
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You make a good point about the healthcare system in America (I still find it hard to believe how feudal that system is), but I should think an STI check-up would be either free or fairly cheap? And if they test positive then they shouldn't be allowed to work until they clear it up by their own volition. I don't know. Legalising anything will not be trouble-free, but I think there are some necessary evils when looking at it from an utilitarian point of view ("the greater good" and all that).
As for the word "whore", I'm well aware of it's actual definition, but words have been bastardised and perverted over the years so much that now, if a woman chooses to sleep with more than one man in any given period of time, or sleep with a man she doesn't know very well, she may be called a whore, despite no money being involved. And I think that's what people mean when they argue against the use of the word "whore" to describe prostitutes. It's not entirely political correctness gone mad, it's more because the word has now received negative connotations - much like the dreaded N-word, which is actually just directly derived from the Latin for "black", but has now got horrific connotations which are best avoided.
I'm aware of Amsterdam having certain issues, but this is, in part, due to a new cabinet or something in the government (I'm not sure on the specifics), who are slightly "prudish" to say the least. They're responsible for the banning of magic mushrooms last year, too. In my opinion though, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The Netherlands was, as recently as 2007, the "best place in Europe for children to grow up". It has one of the lowest crime rates, the lowest drug abuse rates, and the lowest unwanted/teen pregnancy rates.
I think the reason they're trying to cut back on cannabis cafés is because they're worried about some of their proximities to children-populated areas (schools, parks etc.) However, they have been saying this for years, and in all my visits, I've never noticed a difference. It's just like when they said that they would ban the sale of cannabis to non-Dutch citizens, but it never happened. Whether they like it or not, about 50% of tourism in Holland revolves around the cannabis and/or the legal sex trade. If they were to dramatically reduce either, then their tourism would plummet and they would lose money. Therefore, I don't see it happening in the near future.
It should also be noted that they are under a lot of pressure from other E.U. countries, especially Germany, with which they share a border, and France (who, ironically, are responsible for the largest amounts of heroin export in Europe).
To be honest, though, I don't see anything dramatically changing, and having spoken to one of the prostitutes in the Red Light District (I met her in a bar, don't judge me!), she said that most of the girls greatly enjoy their work in these areas. She said that the only evidence of human trafficking or "bad prostitution" was outside of the law, with junkies selling their bodies for 3 Euros outside Centraal Station with Moroccan pimps. But to be honest, in countries such as mine and yours, that happens anyway, and it's relatively rare to find "decent" prostitutes, whereas in Amsterdam, the majority of it is regulated except for that fringe.
I could talk for a very long time about this, so I'll stop soon, but I'll end with a quote from that very prostitute (Diana, her name was) which has interested me ever since:
"If a poet or a writer can sell their mind, then why should a person not sell their body?"
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Permalink Reply by Caliban Darklock on -
DARK DREAMER said:Sean's Inferno:
who is paying for the prostitutes to get those "healthchecks"?
THEIR CUSTOMERS.
I have several business licenses. They cost me a few hundred dollars every year to renew. Where do you suppose that money comes from?
Well, I perform services for customers, who pay me money. That money goes in my pocket. When the time comes to pay another $35 to the state, and $25 to the county, and $15 to the city, and $9 to my domain registrar... all of which are necessary to provide those services legally... I reach in that pocket and pull out $84. No taxpayer is responsible for any part of that.
Do you honestly think a prostitute - who can charge upwards of a hundred dollars an hour - is going to complain about a $150 lab test?
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Permalink Reply by Shawn on -
wait, I'm not really smart on this sort of thing but, I thought it costs the system money to bust people for dumb shit, and it just takes up more jail space
Kary said:Yes... although if u really think about it its one of those things that are so easy to bust people on and the system makes so much money out of I don't think that they will ever truly legalize its just like pot... as to the whole Pimp thing... even if they legalized it I don't think it would wipe it out.The reason why is because if u really think about it prostitutes make money depending on location and type of clientele and therefore there will be those that will use their "leadership skills" to get a group going to where they can actually manage a territory and make the most money out of it and in the end managing the prostitutes also. Bottom line its still a business and there will be people, men and women alike, that will be pimps in their own right. There is always a leader and that leader will always find followers... but hopefully the brutallity of it stops.
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Permalink Reply by Shawn on
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the way I feel is that it should be the persons right to sell her body if she wants, you know what your doing if your doing it, so you have to suffer the consequences if something goes wrong, and if it were legal then just do it right, like at whore houses that are safe or what ever, like that show cathouse,, as far as babies go, thats where the abortions come in,, of course you should protect yourself from having to have an abortion, but there are always going to be stupid and not care whether they are whores or just sluts,, I'm not saying its a good idea, but I am saying I believe you should have the right to do what you want to your own body, knowing what the consequences may be
DARK DREAMER said:In regards to the aformentioned brutality of prostitution~
They are subjecting themselves to mistreatment....when your own body is not even resepected by the self, how can another fucked up human be expected to treat it? Murder and abuse of prostitutes........foolish whores. As far as legality: Nope. The conscious "okay" to condone, for only one example: the potential birth of more crack babies and unwanted children is fucked up! C'mon I know that there are some other COF fans that contemplate ethics......everyone is so quick to say "legalize everything" practically!! Some people are so fucking liberal that their brains have fallen out!
Don't even want to waste anymore of my time explaining....
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Permalink Reply by Shawn on
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by the way Dark Dreamer, I don't want you to feel like I am arguing or taking sides cause I am just debating with you,, I do find it kind of fucked up that you can go to the store to by a gun when ever you want but its just wrong to have sex for money,, actually when you were saying that there needs to be limits, I am not sure what side I'm on but I think there should be more limits with guns,, and the fact that there is even a fucked up crack whore on the street period, for the government to step on is cause it is so hard to do it with it being illegal, women have to rely on the illegal underground, and nothing is safe there
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