Rock makes people violent
With every depressed teen and adolescent who happens to pull out a gun in class and shoot everyone, rock has been blamed for promoting violence and pushing people to commit unspeakable acts.
Is this blame baseless? I think so.
Is this blame baseless? I think so.
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Permalink Reply by Dorcas on -
That Virginia Tech guy didn't listen to any rock at all. They said nothing about the music he listened to because it was popular music. Like Crowded house or something.
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Permalink Reply by Leah on -
People are a naturally violent species. Music, video games, television, movies, ect are not to blame for peoples actions. Overall those people would have eventually done a violent act anyway without games, music, ect. And when metal/rock music gets blamed for it, the genre gets more media attention and a more "evil" reputation. There is no way to prove that a person killed or whatever because of a song or a video game. Although I did read somewhere that a boy in Canada flipped out because his dad wouldn't let him play Call of Duty 3 on his 360. But when video games get blamed for violent actions by people it's a lot worse than when metal/rock gets the blame. Simply because the worst thing that can happen is that game will get pulled from shelves or large retailers such as Walmart will quit carrying that game. Or the publisher will edit the game to be less violent. Overall it's a bunch of bullshit to me. I see it as if they are underage when they commit the act of violence, the parents should get blamed for not monitoring their children with what they're watching, doing, and acting.
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Permalink Reply by That one guy o.0 on -
Im sure whoever started blaming rock wanted it banned in some way, either way rock and anyother music that spawned from it isnt going to die overnight
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Permalink Reply by Sean's Inferno on -
It's absolute rubbish. Violence has been around a lot longer than rock music has, rock music just makes a good scapegoat. So do films, TV shows and video games. As soon as anyone pulls something like a Columbine or Virginia Tech, the first thing you hear on the news is "they listened to Marilyn Manson" or "they played CounterStrike and Grand Theft Auto". They never blame the parents, they never blame the teachers, they never blamed the bullies who picked on the Columbine kids every fucking day for three years. It's pathetic. If they blame something like Marilyn Manson or South Park, it detaches them from the situation and makes it easier for them to handle.
Anyone sane can divide reality and fiction, and if they can't then they probably would have done it regardless of all the music or TV in the world.
And as far as rock music goes, it doesn't yell at you to change, it doesn't order you around and it doesn't make you feel lonely. Other groups who sing or talk about how great their life is, how many cars they have, how many times they get laid - they're the ones that are more dangerous because they'll just make someone feel even more alone. If you listen to rock music, it's a way of escaping temporarily and letting yourself feel like you belong. If anything, rock music postpones violence rather than inciting it.
As much as I hate the guy, Marilyn Manson has spoken pretty well on the topic in Bowling For Columbine: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=90xJVOUuV-I
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Permalink Reply by 3xA on -
The human being is dark for nature, and everyone is violent as his own way, the music has nothing to do with the violence.
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Permalink Reply by Keman on -
Of course rock and metal makes people aggresive and depressed. The lyrics are only about destroying things and about killing people. The same with first-person shooter games. They are the reason of all the violence among adolescents.
Seriously, I thought that people had stopped being so naive, but I constantly see adult people that want to bann to shooter games and metal music. Of course they totally ignore all those gangsta rappers that truly glamorise violence. Furthermore many parents think that if their son or their daughter wear black clothes it means that they are totally depressed and want to commit suicide. Superficiality is one of the main characteristics of our society.
I am convinced that fast and heavy music like metal at most helps to abolish aggressions. Besides I do not perceive metal as aggressive.
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Permalink Reply by Caliban Darklock on -
It's a chicken and egg question.
Most people don't listen to violent music by accident. They listen to it because it resonates; because there is a part of them that is already violent. For the vast majority of them, this violent part of themselves is satisfied to hear some violent music, and that's all the farther it goes.
Same goes for violent games and movies. People are fundamentally violent; that violence needs an escape valve. Take it away, and you get a lot more real violence.
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Permalink Reply by Caliban Darklock on
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Adam Hossman said:Seriously?
Yes, seriously. Patrick Kierkegaard of the University of Essex is one of the few authorities in the field saying this out loud; his research on video game violence shows that increased violence in videogames and movies correlates with decreased real-world violence, especially among the young - those who are disproportionately seeing those movies and playing those games.
Compare the old scare stories about marijuana. If you watch Reefer Madness, you see the boogeyman anti-marijuana activists wanted people to fear: the crazed, manic, psychotic drug fiend. Trouble is, that's not what happens when you smoke marijuana. It's pretty much the exact opposite of what happens. So now they're trying to do the same thing with violence in media: claim it does the exact opposite of what any fool can see it doing, and hope people are too stupid to check the facts.
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Permalink Reply by xXiFiWaSYouRVamPiReXx on -
who ever came up with that had nothing else better to blame violence on.just like Manson was blamed for Columbine.violence didnt just start(duh)and rock hasnt been here for ever.there have been wars going on sense the begining of time,vikings were violent people yet they didnt listen to rock because there was no such thing then,and music cant drive someone to do idiotic things like commit suicide or go kill a bunch of people.
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Permalink Reply by Sean's Inferno on
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Interesting.
And I've always been of the belief that if violence/sex or whatever were to be taken out of the media, then I don't think all those people who complain about it all the time would be as happy as they think. They'd want it back! It's basically what entertainment is made up of nowadays - you don't find any G-rated films engineered towards adults anymore do you?
Also, I think if every violent game were to be banned, every controversial musician, every controversial film ... there'd be a lot of people with no outlet whatsoever for their frustration except to ... well, do it for real.
I know for one that when I'm real pissed off I'll just throw on Lord Abortion or play some GTA. Never committed a violent crime in my life.
Caliban Darklock said:Adam Hossman said:Seriously?
Yes, seriously. Patrick Kierkegaard of the University of Essex is one of the few authorities in the field saying this out loud; his research on video game violence shows that increased violence in videogames and movies correlates with decreased real-world violence, especially among the young - those who are disproportionately seeing those movies and playing those games.
Compare the old scare stories about marijuana. If you watch Reefer Madness, you see the boogeyman anti-marijuana activists wanted people to fear: the crazed, manic, psychotic drug fiend. Trouble is, that's not what happens when you smoke marijuana. It's pretty much the exact opposite of what happens. So now they're trying to do the same thing with violence in media: claim it does the exact opposite of what any fool can see it doing, and hope people are too stupid to check the facts.
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Permalink Reply by Kit-Kat on -
It is total BS. Rock has nothing to do with it. If someone is going to do something absolutely horrid like shoot someone, its their choice. A song, or a genre does not drive people to do that at all. People like those who blame rock music for violence are either hypocrites or just flat out morons. Popular music like Rap for example. Im not saying that all songs by rappers are about shooting, drugs, messing with cops, and sex. But hey, many are. If people want to blame rock, maybe they should go the whole nine yards and bann all violent music. Thing is, they never will.
So yeah, Rock music has nothing at all to do with the violence. Totally Baseless.
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Permalink Reply by Mephistopholes on -
its all eminem's fault!
and that transvesite shock rocker
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