Join Me In A Trip Back To 1993...
We are now in England, year 1993. You go out to a local pub to get a few drinks and talk with some friends, maybe even try to find a girl for the night and get jiggy with her later. When you see that a new local black metal band called, Cradle Of Filth, is playing tonight. Interested.. you go check them out. To your fortune, you get a front row position. Knowing that this band might be popular someday, you start recording the concert.. This is the footage you recorded that night.
You love the band so much, that you find out there playing nearby tomorrow again. You go there again to see them play, again you get a good front row spot, and again you start recording, and this is the footage you recorded.
The rest is history...
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Permalink Reply by Lifestalker on -
No, a majority of the songs DO have keyboards. Just not as much as say, Godspeed or Midian. They are used sparingly and you can hear parts in the background.
Yes, Thornography is more melodic guitar based, but there ARE keyboards.
That's one example out of a total of 19 songs. Listen to the rest of the album buddy. The majority of the album does not have any keyboards/synths.
Dirge Inferno said:
Psychoscot said:No that would be Thornography where they totally stripped back the symphonic elements to focus on a harder darker guitar based metal sound. Not my opinion! The opinion of the band themselves in many many interviews at the time! Hence of all their albums it's the least symphonic.
Dirge Inferno said:The right word would actually be symphonic, not Gothic. It was the least symphonic.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on -
An instrumental? Melodic in parts but I would not say symphonic, just counterpoint to the copycat melodic Iron Maiden guitar riffs! Paul would agree with this, he makes no bones about Iron Maiden as his base for Thornography!
ADreamOfWolves said:That's one example out of a total of 19 songs. Listen to the rest of the album buddy. The majority of the album does not have any keyboards/synths.
Dirge Inferno said:
Psychoscot said:No that would be Thornography where they totally stripped back the symphonic elements to focus on a harder darker guitar based metal sound. Not my opinion! The opinion of the band themselves in many many interviews at the time! Hence of all their albums it's the least symphonic.
Dirge Inferno said:The right word would actually be symphonic, not Gothic. It was the least symphonic.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on
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There are 18 tracks on Harder, Darker, Faster: Thornography Deluxe Edition plus the Hallowe'en 2 Samhain cover HW2 on the Jap. Edition ... 19 tracks all up.
Dirge Inferno said:So negative and rude. It seems you're the one that needs to listen to the rest of the album, oh and there's 12 songs on Thornography. With a bonus track on the Japanese version and a deluxe edition.
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Permalink Reply by Psychoscot on -
LOL hence why I already said "IN THE BANDS OPINION" several posts back but obviously some people have difficulty grasping things! Although both yourself and Sean had no difficulty!
Seems the band are wrong about their album, and THEIR OPINION is incorrect too! LMAO!
Kevin Hall said:
An instrumental? Melodic in parts but I would not say symphonic, just counterpoint to the copycat melodic Iron Maiden guitar riffs! Paul would agree with this, he makes no bones about Iron Maiden as his base for Thornography!
ADreamOfWolves said:That's one example out of a total of 19 songs. Listen to the rest of the album buddy. The majority of the album does not have any keyboards/synths.
Dirge Inferno said:
Psychoscot said:No that would be Thornography where they totally stripped back the symphonic elements to focus on a harder darker guitar based metal sound. Not my opinion! The opinion of the band themselves in many many interviews at the time! Hence of all their albums it's the least symphonic.
Dirge Inferno said:The right word would actually be symphonic, not Gothic. It was the least symphonic.
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Permalink Reply by ADreamOfWolves on -
Thank you. This is why I said 19 tracks. I obviously know how many tracks are on Thornography. I'm not an idiot.
I can't believe we're even having this discussion on what album is more symphonic (keyboard/synths based, not guitar based or whatever), Thornography or TPOEMF!!?? Does Thornography have FOUR instrumentals like TPOEMF (Five, if you include "Imperium Tenebrarum")? Does Thornography have a song on it that is similar to the opening and ending of "Of Mist And Midnight Skies"? You can constantly hear keyboards throughout all the songs on TPOEMF. While Thornography sparingly uses keyboards/pianos throughout the album, although when it's used, it sounds very good.
Kevin Hall said:There are 18 tracks on Harder, Darker, Faster: Thornography Deluxe Edition plus the Hallowe'en 2 Samhain cover HW2 on the Jap. Edition ... 19 tracks all up.
Dirge Inferno said:So negative and rude. It seems you're the one that needs to listen to the rest of the album, oh and there's 12 songs on Thornography. With a bonus track on the Japanese version and a deluxe edition.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on
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I would say anything with Martin Curtis-Powell (who is doing a Masters degree in musical composition) in it then. Since he came from My Dying Bride who (imo) kicked off symphonic BM, there we have it! Midian through Nymphetamine with DaaD peaking at No.1 ... so Keman is the winner with The Smell of Rain a very, very close second!
More important if he gets his PhD he'll be Doc Martin! He picks on me enough as it is, I've finally got him HAHA ... this is drifting way OT :P
Keman said:Cruelty is not symphonic by that definition, I don't see many reminiscences of actual classical music. Damnation and Nymphetamine win. Also, on Damnation there's no split between the metal and the orchestral part. The orchestra plays throughout the songs, often it's just hardly audible.
The Smell Of Rain said:I'd actually agree with him... if the definition of "symphonic metal" is that the keyboards/guitars/composition are supposed to be reminiscent of classical music as wikipedia suggests then Principle certainly is one of their less symphonic albums. Their ultimate "Symphonic Metal" album (by that definition) would be Cruelty, as the guitars and synths and composition are VERY "symphonic"... followed by Dusk and V Empire I suppose.
DAAD should be in there too, but there is a big split between the orchestral parts and the metal for the most part (unlike Cruelty where the whole band is the orchestra so to speak as suggested in that definition).
Principle probably has the most "gothic horror" sounding keys, lots of organ and bell sounds and wonky piano with the sampled sound effects, very raw and creepy sounding... the instrumentals could fit alongside an old black and white horror movie perfectly. The song writing is not at all "symphonic" by that classically influenced definition, not in the keyboard playing nor the riffs. It is however "symphonic" if you use that word to describe a keyboard-heavy metal album or whatever... so, to me sub-genres like "symphonic metal" and "gothic metal" are pretty useless unless everyone agrees on what the genre is supposed to be in the first place... which will never happen.
Cradle are a British metal band. That's good enough for me.
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Permalink Reply by Psychoscot on
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My Dying Bride aren't in anyway shape or form Black Metal Kev, they are a Doom band and always have been since day one, they are one of the most famous Doom bands. lol Symphonic BM also pre-dates them by a decade! Mercyful Fate?
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Hence why in the current special edition of Terrorizer which is about the history of doom, there are several articles on them LOL!Kevin Hall said:
I would say anything with Martin Curtis-Powell (who is doing a Masters degree in musical composition) in it then. Since he came from My Dying Bride who (imo) kicked off symphonic BM, there we have it! Midian through Nymphetamine with DaaD peaking at No.1 ... so Keman is the winner with The Smell of Rain a very, very close second!
More important if he gets his PhD he'll be Doc Martin! He picks on me enough as it is, I've finally got him HAHA ... this is drifting way OT :P
Keman said:Cruelty is not symphonic by that definition, I don't see many reminiscences of actual classical music. Damnation and Nymphetamine win. Also, on Damnation there's no split between the metal and the orchestral part. The orchestra plays throughout the songs, often it's just hardly audible.
The Smell Of Rain said:I'd actually agree with him... if the definition of "symphonic metal" is that the keyboards/guitars/composition are supposed to be reminiscent of classical music as wikipedia suggests then Principle certainly is one of their less symphonic albums. Their ultimate "Symphonic Metal" album (by that definition) would be Cruelty, as the guitars and synths and composition are VERY "symphonic"... followed by Dusk and V Empire I suppose.
DAAD should be in there too, but there is a big split between the orchestral parts and the metal for the most part (unlike Cruelty where the whole band is the orchestra so to speak as suggested in that definition).
Principle probably has the most "gothic horror" sounding keys, lots of organ and bell sounds and wonky piano with the sampled sound effects, very raw and creepy sounding... the instrumentals could fit alongside an old black and white horror movie perfectly. The song writing is not at all "symphonic" by that classically influenced definition, not in the keyboard playing nor the riffs. It is however "symphonic" if you use that word to describe a keyboard-heavy metal album or whatever... so, to me sub-genres like "symphonic metal" and "gothic metal" are pretty useless unless everyone agrees on what the genre is supposed to be in the first place... which will never happen.
Cradle are a British metal band. That's good enough for me.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on
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Yes, I know you did, just elaborating!
Dirge Inferno said:That's what I just fucking said, on the regular edition there's 12.
Kevin Hall said:There are 18 tracks on Harder, Darker, Faster: Thornography Deluxe Edition plus the Hallowe'en 2 Samhain cover HW2 on the Jap. Edition ... 19 tracks all up.
Dirge Inferno said:So negative and rude. It seems you're the one that needs to listen to the rest of the album, oh and there's 12 songs on Thornography. With a bonus track on the Japanese version and a deluxe edition.
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Permalink Reply by ADreamOfWolves on
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I love how you're assuming that I was talking about the regular edition, just so you could try to make me look stupid and make yourself look smart. I'm a big fan of Thornography, so don't even try to say that I need to listen to it more. I was obviously talking about the special 2CD edition of Thornography.
Dirge Inferno said:That's what I just fucking said, on the regular edition there's 12.
Kevin Hall said:There are 18 tracks on Harder, Darker, Faster: Thornography Deluxe Edition plus the Hallowe'en 2 Samhain cover HW2 on the Jap. Edition ... 19 tracks all up.
Dirge Inferno said:So negative and rude. It seems you're the one that needs to listen to the rest of the album, oh and there's 12 songs on Thornography. With a bonus track on the Japanese version and a deluxe edition.
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Permalink Reply by Lifestalker on
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Okay guys, cut the crap.
ADreamofWolves, you agreed that Thornography contains keys. Let's move on now haha.
Although I disagree about POEMF's instrumentals. They're more filler to me, nothing too special like later albums.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on
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I know, MDB were huge here when that 1st EP came out, probably more so than most countries outside UK and Europe. Doom, BM, Death are all similar genres as a generalization (Death and Doom are a rather Black sound :P)
Now Mercyful Fate is BM in ideas but more Symphonic in sound with a really odd sounding vocalist, hail the King, ya gotta luv him, but like saying they are not trve BM because they are Symphonic BM ... silly eh!
Doom is Symphonic BM without the BM and Death is BM without the Black etc ... PMSL
I must look up the Special Edition, I was looking at Terrorizer online and didn't see it :-(
Psychoscot said:My Dying Bride aren't in anyway shape or form Black Metal Kev, they are a Doom band and always have been since day one, they are one of the most famous Doom bands. lol Symphonic BM also pre-dates them by a decade! Mercyful Fate?
;)
Hence why in the current special edition of Terrorizer which is about the history of doom, there are several articles on them LOL!Kevin Hall said:
I would say anything with Martin Curtis-Powell (who is doing a Masters degree in musical composition) in it then. Since he came from My Dying Bride who (imo) kicked off symphonic BM, there we have it! Midian through Nymphetamine with DaaD peaking at No.1 ... so Keman is the winner with The Smell of Rain a very, very close second!
More important if he gets his PhD he'll be Doc Martin! He picks on me enough as it is, I've finally got him HAHA ... this is drifting way OT :P
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