Join Me In A Trip Back To 1993...

We are now in England, year 1993. You go out to a local pub to get a few drinks and talk with some friends, maybe even try to find a girl for the night and get jiggy with her later. When you see that a new local black metal band called, Cradle Of Filth, is playing tonight. Interested.. you go check them out. To your fortune, you get a front row position. Knowing that this band might be popular someday, you start recording the concert.. This is the footage you recorded that night.

You love the band so much, that you find out there playing nearby tomorrow again. You go there again to see them play, again you get a good front row spot, and again you start recording, and this is the footage you recorded.

The rest is history...

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on March 20, 2012 at 16:21

Technically in English use Italics for names of songs (and can use BOLD too) and Quotes for lyrics and ... like quotes from an article and even lyrics

Final said:

(still not sure whether to put demo songs in quotation marks or just write ’em in italics). Beginning and end… “Eastern devil eyes, a cruel erotic plague…”


Permalink Reply by Final on March 20, 2012 at 17:51

That’s what I’ve been doing, but since the demo songs and releases aren’t really ‘official’ ones, you see…

Concerning the shirt: The “The Black Goddess Rises” longsleeve has always been official, even though it was reprinted and faked various times. The rumored The Black Goddess Rises rehearsal tape is a fake and doesn’t exist, what you can find with that name on the web is some weird compilation of demo songs already present on other tapes.

Kevin Hall said:

Technically in English use Italics for names of songs (and can use BOLD too) and Quotes for lyrics and ... like quotes from an article and even lyrics

Final said:

(still not sure whether to put demo songs in quotation marks or just write ’em in italics). Beginning and end… “Eastern devil eyes, a cruel erotic plague…”


Permalink Reply by Keman on March 20, 2012 at 18:11

Cruelty is not symphonic by that definition, I don't see many reminiscences of actual classical music. Damnation and Nymphetamine win. Also, on Damnation there's no split between the metal and the orchestral part. The orchestra plays throughout the songs, often it's just hardly audible.

The Smell Of Rain said:

I'd actually agree with him... if the definition of "symphonic metal" is that the keyboards/guitars/composition are supposed to be reminiscent of classical music as wikipedia suggests then Principle certainly is one of their less symphonic albums. Their ultimate "Symphonic Metal" album (by that definition) would be Cruelty, as the guitars and synths and composition are VERY "symphonic"... followed by Dusk and V Empire I suppose.

DAAD should be in there too, but there is a big split between the orchestral parts and the metal for the most part (unlike Cruelty where the whole band is the orchestra so to speak as suggested in that definition).

Principle probably has the most "gothic horror" sounding keys, lots of organ and bell sounds and wonky piano with the sampled sound effects, very raw and creepy sounding... the instrumentals could fit alongside an old black and white horror movie perfectly. The song writing is not at all "symphonic" by that classically influenced definition, not in the keyboard playing nor the riffs. It is however "symphonic" if you use that word to describe a keyboard-heavy metal album or whatever... so, to me sub-genres like "symphonic metal" and "gothic metal" are pretty useless unless everyone agrees on what the genre is supposed to be in the first place... which will never happen.

Cradle are a British metal band. That's good enough for me.

Permalink Reply by Psychoscot on March 20, 2012 at 20:41

No that would be Thornography where they totally stripped back the symphonic elements to focus on a harder darker guitar based metal sound. Not my opinion! The opinion of the band themselves in many many interviews at the time! Hence of all their albums it's the least symphonic.

Dirge Inferno said:

The right word would actually be symphonic, not Gothic. It was the least symphonic.

Permalink Reply by ADreamOfWolves on March 20, 2012 at 21:06

Thank you. This is what I was trying to get at, David is just more highly intellectual than I am.
Psychoscot said:

No that would be Thornography where they totally stripped back the symphonic elements to focus on a harder darker guitar based metal sound. Not my opinion! The opinion of the band themselves in many many interviews at the time! Hence of all their albums it's the least symphonic.

Dirge Inferno said:

The right word would actually be symphonic, not Gothic. It was the least symphonic.

Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on March 20, 2012 at 21:27

Oops, I see you were saying, I missed what you meant now about the italics. 

That article was inferring the Demos were all "official" hence my "etc. etc ...." at the end of the sentence. I was being sarcastic.

In that pic of Dani you can tell it is simply the official Black Goddess Rises Tee just that in the vid it looked classier ... or something?


Final said:

That’s what I’ve been doing, but since the demo songs and releases aren’t really ‘official’ ones, you see…

Concerning the shirt: The “The Black Goddess Rises” longsleeve has always been official, even though it was reprinted and faked various times. The rumored The Black Goddess Rises rehearsal tape is a fake and doesn’t exist, what you can find with that name on the web is some weird compilation of demo songs already present on other tapes.

Kevin Hall said:

Technically in English use Italics for names of songs (and can use BOLD too) and Quotes for lyrics and ... like quotes from an article and even lyrics

Final said:

(still not sure whether to put demo songs in quotation marks or just write ’em in italics). Beginning and end… “Eastern devil eyes, a cruel erotic plague…”


Permalink Reply by ADreamOfWolves on March 20, 2012 at 21:36

I remember that quote you put Kevin, it's from Decibel. When they inducted TPOEMF into their hall of fame, as one of the greatest metal albums of all time. Well, I know for certain that ITU came BEFORE OPF. As OPF even has written on the demo "Demo #2". So, they got their facts wrong.

Kevin Hall said:

Oops, I see you were saying, I missed what you meant now about the italics. 

That article was inferring the Demos were all "official" hence my "etc. etc ...." at the end of the sentence. I was being sarcastic.

In that pic of Dani you can tell it is simply the official Black Goddess Rises Tee just that in the vid it looked classier ... or something?


Final said:

That’s what I’ve been doing, but since the demo songs and releases aren’t really ‘official’ ones, you see…

Concerning the shirt: The “The Black Goddess Rises” longsleeve has always been official, even though it was reprinted and faked various times. The rumored The Black Goddess Rises rehearsal tape is a fake and doesn’t exist, what you can find with that name on the web is some weird compilation of demo songs already present on other tapes.

Kevin Hall said:

Technically in English use Italics for names of songs (and can use BOLD too) and Quotes for lyrics and ... like quotes from an article and even lyrics

Final said:

(still not sure whether to put demo songs in quotation marks or just write ’em in italics). Beginning and end… “Eastern devil eyes, a cruel erotic plague…”


Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on March 21, 2012 at 0:55

Yep, that's the article! And it was only recently when I asked you why it had Demo #2 on my OPF and discussing the varied bitrates of the demo tracks too :D

ADreamOfWolves said:

I remember that quote you put Kevin, it's from Decibel. When they inducted TPOEMF into their hall of fame, as one of the greatest metal albums of all time. Well, I know for certain that ITU came BEFORE OPF. As OPF even has written on the demo "Demo #2". So, they got their facts wrong.

Kevin Hall said:

Oops, I see you were saying, I missed what you meant now about the italics. 

That article was inferring the Demos were all "official" hence my "etc. etc ...." at the end of the sentence. I was being sarcastic.

In that pic of Dani you can tell it is simply the official Black Goddess Rises Tee just that in the vid it looked classier ... or something?


Final said:

That’s what I’ve been doing, but since the demo songs and releases aren’t really ‘official’ ones, you see…

Concerning the shirt: The “The Black Goddess Rises” longsleeve has always been official, even though it was reprinted and faked various times. The rumored The Black Goddess Rises rehearsal tape is a fake and doesn’t exist, what you can find with that name on the web is some weird compilation of demo songs already present on other tapes.

Permalink Reply by Lifestalker on March 21, 2012 at 2:51

Now that I think of it, maybe Thornography is. The only track that sounds kind of symphonic would be "The Byronic Man" and "Under Huntress Moon"


 
Psychoscot said:

No that would be Thornography where they totally stripped back the symphonic elements to focus on a harder darker guitar based metal sound. Not my opinion! The opinion of the band themselves in many many interviews at the time! Hence of all their albums it's the least symphonic.

Dirge Inferno said:

The right word would actually be symphonic, not Gothic. It was the least symphonic.

Permalink Reply by GRU on March 21, 2012 at 3:11

I really want to go back to 93.
Sadly, I was only 3 years old when they performed in these videos...

Permalink Reply by ADreamOfWolves on March 21, 2012 at 3:16

What do you mean? You were right by my side when I was recording these videos!! Remember we hooked up with those hot goth chicks that night?

GRU said:

I really want to go back to 93.
Sadly, I was only 3 years old when they performed in these videos...

Permalink Reply by ADreamOfWolves on March 21, 2012 at 11:15

That's one example out of a total of 19 songs. Listen to the rest of the album buddy. The majority of the album does not have any keyboards/synths.

Dirge Inferno said:



Psychoscot said:

No that would be Thornography where they totally stripped back the symphonic elements to focus on a harder darker guitar based metal sound. Not my opinion! The opinion of the band themselves in many many interviews at the time! Hence of all their albums it's the least symphonic.

Dirge Inferno said:

The right word would actually be symphonic, not Gothic. It was the least symphonic.

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