Join Me In A Trip Back To 1993...
We are now in England, year 1993. You go out to a local pub to get a few drinks and talk with some friends, maybe even try to find a girl for the night and get jiggy with her later. When you see that a new local black metal band called, Cradle Of Filth, is playing tonight. Interested.. you go check them out. To your fortune, you get a front row position. Knowing that this band might be popular someday, you start recording the concert.. This is the footage you recorded that night.
You love the band so much, that you find out there playing nearby tomorrow again. You go there again to see them play, again you get a good front row spot, and again you start recording, and this is the footage you recorded.
The rest is history...
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on -
Black Goddess Rises L/S pic. Yes, possibly his own one before printed up for distribution ... like a "promo" version? LOL
Final said:Bathory longsleeve in the first video, their own “The Black Goddess Rises” longsleeve in the second one? :)
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Permalink Reply by Kyle on -
I think it was "The Raping Of Faith" the very beginning. And on "Beauty Slept in Sodom" the same guitar riff is played at 4:29
ADreamOfWolves said:Unbridled At Dusk.
Final said:Bathory longsleeve in the first video, their own “The Black Goddess Rises” longsleeve in the second one? :)
Early Cradle touring with early Emperor… What I’d give to see that…
To me, the coolest thing about the Cradle demos is seeing what melodies and themes were reused later on. The late theme in Beauty Slept in Sodom is pretty much one demo song copied 1:1, but I can’t remember which one.
Kevin Hall said:EDIT - Must get the Tee shirt same as Dani is wearing ... do want!!!
ADreamOfWolves said:Both of these concerts were in April of 1993, which was the tour with Emperor.
And I personally love all of their demos, with TFD being their best and my favorite. TPOEMF is also my favorite album, you guys just need to listen to TPOEMF some more times and really pay attention to every detail, because that album is different from every other Cradle CD they did. There's just something different about it that makes it really good.
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Permalink Reply by ADreamOfWolves on -
Yeah, I think you're right. I was trying to decide between those two, as I couldn't remember for sure. Thanks.
Kyle said:I think it was "The Raping Of Faith" the very beginning. And on "Beauty Slept in Sodom" the same guitar riff is played at 4:29
ADreamOfWolves said:Unbridled At Dusk.
Final said:Bathory longsleeve in the first video, their own “The Black Goddess Rises” longsleeve in the second one? :)
Early Cradle touring with early Emperor… What I’d give to see that…
To me, the coolest thing about the Cradle demos is seeing what melodies and themes were reused later on. The late theme in Beauty Slept in Sodom is pretty much one demo song copied 1:1, but I can’t remember which one.
Kevin Hall said:EDIT - Must get the Tee shirt same as Dani is wearing ... do want!!!
ADreamOfWolves said:Both of these concerts were in April of 1993, which was the tour with Emperor.
And I personally love all of their demos, with TFD being their best and my favorite. TPOEMF is also my favorite album, you guys just need to listen to TPOEMF some more times and really pay attention to every detail, because that album is different from every other Cradle CD they did. There's just something different about it that makes it really good.
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Permalink Reply by Psychoscot on -
While it's not my favourite I have listened to it many many times, and it's far more gothic in terms of style than Thorn/Godspeed/DDVA lol
ADreamOfWolves said:Yeah, Of Mist And Midnight Skies is defiantly the best song on the album. But, the instrumentals is what makes the album so different and amazing from all the other albums. All the other instrumentals on later albums are much different than the instrumentals on TPOEMF. TPOEMF instrumentals are really dark, but very relaxing and beautiful the same time. It's amazing how Benjamin, in high school at the time they recorded TPOEMF, wrote these amazing keyboard melodies throughout the album.
But, I have to really disagree with you saying TPOEMF is the LEAST Gothic album. No way is that valid. You think Damnation And A Day or Godspeed On The Devil's Thunder was more Gothic than TPOEMF? Please, give me a break.
Dirge Inferno said:If I was at the pub where they were performing before their fame, I'd ask for autographs.
TPoEMF was their rawest album they've ever made, and their least Gothic. I know you're going to disagree with me but I heard symphonic blackened death metal in the album. For me the best songs are The Forest Whispers My Name, The Black Goddess Rises, Of Mist and Midnight Skies and Summer Dying Fast.
"That night they came and took her away from me
I lost the woman I loved and I learned how to curse
and to spit in the face of their... "jesus fucking christ"
We will ride again
in the midnight skies"Best lyrics!
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Permalink Reply by Lifestalker on -
What? When did he say those albums were gothic?
I might as well agree. If I had to choose, I think sounded gothic was Nymphetamine. However I also think Dusk-Bitter Suites did too.
ADreamOfWolves said:Yeah, Of Mist And Midnight Skies is defiantly the best song on the album. But, the instrumentals is what makes the album so different and amazing from all the other albums. All the other instrumentals on later albums are much different than the instrumentals on TPOEMF. TPOEMF instrumentals are really dark, but very relaxing and beautiful the same time. It's amazing how Benjamin, in high school at the time they recorded TPOEMF, wrote these amazing keyboard melodies throughout the album.
But, I have to really disagree with you saying TPOEMF is the LEAST Gothic album. No way is that valid. You think Damnation And A Day or Godspeed On The Devil's Thunder was more Gothic than TPOEMF? Please, give me a break.
Dirge Inferno said:If I was at the pub where they were performing before their fame, I'd ask for autographs.
TPoEMF was their rawest album they've ever made, and their least Gothic. I know you're going to disagree with me but I heard symphonic blackened death metal in the album. For me the best songs are The Forest Whispers My Name, The Black Goddess Rises, Of Mist and Midnight Skies and Summer Dying Fast.
"That night they came and took her away from me
I lost the woman I loved and I learned how to curse
and to spit in the face of their... "jesus fucking christ"
We will ride again
in the midnight skies"Best lyrics!
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Permalink Reply by ADreamOfWolves on
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He said TPOEMF was the LEAST Gothic album Cradle has ever made. Therefore, implying that every album Cradle made has had at least some Gothic influence in it, and that TPEOMF had the least Gothic feel/influence on it. Which I completely disagree, because I feel like Godspeed or Damnation had very little to none Gothic influence on it.
Hydra 666 said:What? When did he say those albums were gothic?
I might as well agree. If I had to choose, I think sounded gothic was Nymphetamine. However I also think Dusk-Bitter Suites did too.
ADreamOfWolves said:Yeah, Of Mist And Midnight Skies is defiantly the best song on the album. But, the instrumentals is what makes the album so different and amazing from all the other albums. All the other instrumentals on later albums are much different than the instrumentals on TPOEMF. TPOEMF instrumentals are really dark, but very relaxing and beautiful the same time. It's amazing how Benjamin, in high school at the time they recorded TPOEMF, wrote these amazing keyboard melodies throughout the album.
But, I have to really disagree with you saying TPOEMF is the LEAST Gothic album. No way is that valid. You think Damnation And A Day or Godspeed On The Devil's Thunder was more Gothic than TPOEMF? Please, give me a break.
Dirge Inferno said:If I was at the pub where they were performing before their fame, I'd ask for autographs.
TPoEMF was their rawest album they've ever made, and their least Gothic. I know you're going to disagree with me but I heard symphonic blackened death metal in the album. For me the best songs are The Forest Whispers My Name, The Black Goddess Rises, Of Mist and Midnight Skies and Summer Dying Fast.
"That night they came and took her away from me
I lost the woman I loved and I learned how to curse
and to spit in the face of their... "jesus fucking christ"
We will ride again
in the midnight skies"Best lyrics!
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Permalink Reply by ADreamOfWolves on
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TPOEMF is the LEAST symphonic Cradle album? Wow, that's the funniest joke I've heard in a while!
Dirge Inferno said:The right word would actually be symphonic, not Gothic. It was the least symphonic.
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Permalink Reply by Final on -
Don’t make fun of them, now, it’s just an opinion. And, come to think of it, a not entirely unfounded one. Seeing that symphonic metal, regardless of the subgenre, is usually the easiest to get into, it’s no secret that The Principle is probably their most inaccessible release, thus what could be called their least symphonic. On a musical level, well… It’s questionable whether those old keyboard samples would be considered more symphonic than the modern choirs and instruments. I’d say early Cradle had less symphonic elements, they just used them better.
Also, yes, that song I was looking for was indeed The Raping of Faith (still not sure whether to put demo songs in quotation marks or just write ’em in italics). Beginning and end… “Eastern devil eyes, a cruel erotic plague…”
ADreamOfWolves said:TPOEMF is the LEAST symphonic Cradle album? Wow, that's the funniest joke I've heard in a while!
Dirge Inferno said:The right word would actually be symphonic, not Gothic. It was the least symphonic.
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Permalink Reply by The Smell Of Rain on -
I'd actually agree with him... if the definition of "symphonic metal" is that the keyboards/guitars/composition are supposed to be reminiscent of classical music as wikipedia suggests then Principle certainly is one of their less symphonic albums. Their ultimate "Symphonic Metal" album (by that definition) would be Cruelty, as the guitars and synths and composition are VERY "symphonic"... followed by Dusk and V Empire I suppose.
DAAD should be in there too, but there is a big split between the orchestral parts and the metal for the most part (unlike Cruelty where the whole band is the orchestra so to speak as suggested in that definition).
Principle probably has the most "gothic horror" sounding keys, lots of organ and bell sounds and wonky piano with the sampled sound effects, very raw and creepy sounding... the instrumentals could fit alongside an old black and white horror movie perfectly. The song writing is not at all "symphonic" by that classically influenced definition, not in the keyboard playing nor the riffs. It is however "symphonic" if you use that word to describe a keyboard-heavy metal album or whatever... so, to me sub-genres like "symphonic metal" and "gothic metal" are pretty useless unless everyone agrees on what the genre is supposed to be in the first place... which will never happen.
Cradle are a British metal band. That's good enough for me.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on
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Pic from that concert
From an old article on COF talks about the order of the Demos but I thought BGR was a bootleg etc etc ... I hadn't seen this pic before though.
"Formed in 1991 in Ipswich, about 82 miles northeast of London, Cradle of Filth started out as, to quote frontman Dani Filth, a “gore-flecked death metal” band. The group’s 1992 demo, Orgiastic Pleasures Foul, didn’t exactly set Ipswich (or England) alight. But over the course of the same year, core Filthies Dani, guitarist Paul Allender and keyboardist Benjamin Ryan would release three more demos—The Black Goddess Rises, Invoking the Unclean and Total Fucking Darkness—slowly increasing the group’s profile through tape-trading, flyering and sharing side A of a split cassette with fellow British death metallers Malediction."
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Permalink Reply by Lifestalker on
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From Webster's Dictionary:
12: relating to or having the form or character of a symphony em>symphonic music>3: suggestive of a symphony especially in form, interweaving of themes, or harmonious arrangement <a symphonic drama>I gotta agree with the other guys, It is the least symphonic, Thornography would be the next least.
ADreamOfWolves said:TPOEMF is the LEAST symphonic Cradle album? Wow, that's the funniest joke I've heard in a while!
Dirge Inferno said:The right word would actually be symphonic, not Gothic. It was the least symphonic.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hall on
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It has symphonic interludes by Benjamin, but overall not symphonic. Gothic is rather meaningless other than black clothes and corpse paint these days. Pretty much what The Smell Of Rain summed it up ...
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