I have found all of Cradle of Filth's demos for Goetia, Total Fucking Darkness, Invoking the Unclean, Orgiastic Pleasures etc. Bassically aall there death metal period songs, who wants them?

my email is www.andrew@fullersound.co.uk

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Permalink Reply by Final on March 6, 2011 at 14:14

No and yes. Frater Nihil has confirmed that he does not have a version of Goetia and doubts that anyone else does since the tapes were wiped, but Dani's been silent about this all the time - I think he is just annoyed by the question by now, and I don't think he has a copy, either.


That part about the original Dusk is true, though - I so want to hear it one day.
Joshua Joy said:

"Goetia" exists only in the collections of Frater Nihil andDani I reckon. - just like the alternativ/ original recordings of Dusk.
Permalink Reply by Keman on March 6, 2011 at 17:44
There are two "original" Dusk tracks on youtube.

Joshua Joy said:
"Goetia" exists only in the collections of Frater Nihil andDani I reckon. - just like the alternativ/ original recordings of Dusk.
Permalink Reply by Final on March 6, 2011 at 17:48
Probably the respective demos of Nocturnal Supremacy and A Gothic Romance, uploaded by ADreamOfWolves.

Keman said:
There are two "original" Dusk tracks on youtube.

Joshua Joy said:
"Goetia" exists only in the collections of Frater Nihil andDani I reckon. - just like the alternativ/ original recordings of Dusk.
Permalink Reply by GRU on March 6, 2011 at 18:10
Nah those are just demos

Final said:
Probably the respective demos of Nocturnal Supremacy and A Gothic Romance, uploaded by ADreamOfWolves.

Keman said:
There are two "original" Dusk tracks on youtube.

Joshua Joy said:
"Goetia" exists only in the collections of Frater Nihil andDani I reckon. - just like the alternativ/ original recordings of Dusk.
Permalink Reply by Scott Milliorn on March 6, 2011 at 20:59
The entire story behind the reason for the wipe of the masters is all the reason in the world no one in the band wishes to talk about it since it was such a huge fiasco early in the bands history that they wish to just leave behind.  Besides the owner of the company has done interviews since the incident stating there is no master and the band has no copy.

Final said:

No and yes. Frater Nihil has confirmed that he does not have a version of Goetia and doubts that anyone else does since the tapes were wiped, but Dani's been silent about this all the time - I think he is just annoyed by the question by now, and I don't think he has a copy, either.


That part about the original Dusk is true, though - I so want to hear it one day.
Joshua Joy said:

"Goetia" exists only in the collections of Frater Nihil andDani I reckon. - just like the alternativ/ original recordings of Dusk.
Permalink Reply by ADreamOfWolves on March 6, 2011 at 21:00
Where have you seen these interviews?

Scott Milliorn said:
The entire story behind the reason for the wipe of the masters is all the reason in the world no one in the band wishes to talk about it since it was such a huge fiasco early in the bands history that they wish to just leave behind.  Besides the owner of the company has done interviews since the incident stating there is no master and the band has no copy.

Final said:

No and yes. Frater Nihil has confirmed that he does not have a version of Goetia and doubts that anyone else does since the tapes were wiped, but Dani's been silent about this all the time - I think he is just annoyed by the question by now, and I don't think he has a copy, either.


That part about the original Dusk is true, though - I so want to hear it one day.
Joshua Joy said:

"Goetia" exists only in the collections of Frater Nihil andDani I reckon. - just like the alternativ/ original recordings of Dusk.
Permalink Reply by Scott Milliorn on March 6, 2011 at 21:01
Ryan brothers put out an official biography of the band many years ago with the owner of the company going on record talking about the incident.
Permalink Reply by Scott Milliorn on March 6, 2011 at 21:02

http://theorderofthedragon.com/photo/from-the-cradle-to-the-grave-1...

 

That movie to be exact.  That is me holding a copy.  Very simple, Goetia was wiped due to a payment dispute.  There are a few sides to the story, but what is for sure is due to a financial dispute, the owner decided to be an asshole and wipe the work.

 

IMO, what people fail to realize, is that they just recorded the tracks on other releases from what I gather in the interviews.  Yes Goetia was lost, but it was re-recorded onto later releases.  I know people speculate the tracklist, but honestly again from what I gather there was no set tracklist.  If you notice they re-recorded almost all there material up until Dusk album IIRC. 

Permalink Reply by Final on March 6, 2011 at 21:08

Huh, the "From the Cradle to the Grave" DVD? I thought it didn't contain any interesting material, save alone information about Goetia. Or so I've heard around here.


@GRU: I thought so, too, but I couldn't find any other tracks related to but not part of the released Dusk. Can anyone give me a link?


Scott Milliorn said:

http://theorderofthedragon.com/photo/from-the-cradle-to-the-grave-1...

 

That movie to be exact.  That is me holding a copy.  Very simple, Goetia was wiped due to a payment dispute.  There are a few sides to the story, but what is for sure is due to a financial dispute, the owner decided to be an asshole and wipe the work.

Permalink Reply by Scott Milliorn on March 6, 2011 at 21:12

Well, IDK what you "heard" from around "here" but AFAIK I'm the only one with actual proof of ownership.  Second, they do show the Ryan brothers, Dani, Nick, Stuart, Gian, Lecter in the movie, along with a really hilarious picture of Paul with a perm, along with the owner of the master copy that was wiped, Goetia.  People dispute the movie because it was produced largely by the Ryan brothers, and is mostly interviews of them, but there are archived footage interviews of Dani, Stuart, Gian from the Dusk/Cruelty period.  In the video it shows the very original members of CoF, there first show photos, etc.  Again people discount the video simply because the Ryan brothers released it well after there time spent in CoF.

 

FYI, I never seen a DVD copy personally, only VHS, that is to show how old it is.  Majority of the members on this site were in their diapers when it was released, or playing with toys.  I don't trust most members in what they say in this site because of that reason, while few of us here were old enough to know of CoF during Dusk days and beyond in the USA.

Permalink Reply by Final on March 6, 2011 at 21:15

Unless the VHS tape is different from the DVD version, I can assure you I have that video as well. Never watched it, though.

Or we're talking about something completely different and I just happen to have a DVD bearing that title.

Permalink Reply by Scott Milliorn on March 6, 2011 at 21:18

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