Cradle possibly used Masks before Graves joined??

I read this in the questions from this site:

http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Music/Cradle-of-Filth-12789.html

I belive it because it has a lot of accurate questions and answers.

Any proof??

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Permalink Reply by Ciraxos on June 6, 2009 at 8:35pm

It was probably Jon Kennedy on bass.

Scott Milliorn said:

Benjamin Ryan confirmed it in the Documentary "Covered in Filth" which I own and will post a picture to confirm that I do own it. If I had a way to hook up my pc to a VHS I would snapshot the picture in question. I can try downloading the DVD and taking a snapshot, unless someone else finds the picture. There is video footage of them with the mask on. They are not Slipknot like mask at all. There more on the lines of something like that you apply on your face which can be removed, but it was not paint. The time period this occured was with the Ryan twins, Allender, Dani, Nick, and not sure who played bass at that time, though I know it was for sure not Robin.

Anyone that has seen this video knows this has been confirmed. Due note, this lasted a VERY short time an the downfalls of this is what led them to try out corpse paint.

ADreamOfWolves said:
wanna say why your so certain its true?

Scott Milliorn said:
Yes, this is 100% true.

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Permalink Reply by GRU on June 6, 2009 at 9:16pm

I never got around to buy covered in filth. Though one day at the record store I was standing behind 10 copies of it, I instead bought Bitter Suites...
And it was the day of the Vegas signing sessions too.

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Permalink Reply by Scott Milliorn on June 6, 2009 at 11:12pm

Jon Pritchard? (I think thats how you spell it).

Ciraxos said:

It was probably Jon Kennedy on bass.

Scott Milliorn said:
Benjamin Ryan confirmed it in the Documentary "Covered in Filth" which I own and will post a picture to confirm that I do own it. If I had a way to hook up my pc to a VHS I would snapshot the picture in question. I can try downloading the DVD and taking a snapshot, unless someone else finds the picture. There is video footage of them with the mask on. They are not Slipknot like mask at all. There more on the lines of something like that you apply on your face which can be removed, but it was not paint. The time period this occured was with the Ryan twins, Allender, Dani, Nick, and not sure who played bass at that time, though I know it was for sure not Robin.

Anyone that has seen this video knows this has been confirmed. Due note, this lasted a VERY short time an the downfalls of this is what led them to try out corpse paint.

ADreamOfWolves said:
wanna say why your so certain its true?

Scott Milliorn said:
Yes, this is 100% true.

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Permalink Reply by GaryFilth on June 7, 2009 at 12:28am

Also, on the Maximum Filth CD, the woman says that Ben Ryan used to play a lot of their live sets wearing a "giant paper mache goat's head". How strange :D.

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Permalink Reply by Scott Milliorn on June 7, 2009 at 12:31am

Baphomet's Headdress you see in pagan rituals etc. hehe I heard that before but never saw a picture.

GaryFilth said:

Also, on the Maximum Filth CD, the woman says that Ben Ryan used to play a lot of their live sets wearing a "giant paper mache goat's head". How strange :D.

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Permalink Reply by Ciraxos on June 7, 2009 at 6:50am

Wait, if they ditched the masks when Robin joined, then they were still doing death metal. When Robin first joined he did guitar, not bass. So the lineup would've been Dani, Paul R., Robin, Jon, Benjamin, and Darren.

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Permalink Reply by Scott Milliorn on June 7, 2009 at 7:33pm

They didn't ditch the mask when Rob joined. The (very short) time period they did this Rob was not in the band at all. This was before Rob joined on as a guitarist, way before he even returned as a bassist.

Ciraxos said:

Wait, if they ditched the masks when Robin joined, then they were still doing death metal. When Robin first joined he did guitar, not bass. So the lineup would've been Dani, Paul R., Robin, Jon, Benjamin, and Darren.

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Permalink Reply by Ciraxos on June 7, 2009 at 7:42pm

So was this around when they released Invoking the Unclean?

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Permalink Reply by ADreamOfWolves on June 7, 2009 at 7:44pm

Yeah.. i am really confused on what these past few replies are about
when robin was with the band
and when they were wearing the masks

i am just overally confused

Ciraxos said:

So was this around when they released Invoking the Unclean?

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Permalink Reply by Ciraxos on June 7, 2009 at 7:51pm

I think all of this confusion could be taken away if we could just see the video.

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Permalink Reply by Scott Milliorn on June 7, 2009 at 10:16pm

OK, I'm watching the video now. Lineup was..

Dani Davey
Jon Pritchard
Paul Ryan
Benjamin Ryan
Darren (not sure of last name)

Which is the original lineup.

They did this in 1991 according to Paul Ryan. They got the see-through half-mask at some local shop. This was when they had persona's or characters. For example, Ben Ryan was 'The Undertaker" and dressed like one. Because Rob introduced them to the Norwegian Black Metal gimmick, it's possible to assume he or someone else in the band thought it be a better alternative to switch to corpse paint. If you find a pic of this lineup posted above (before Rob) you will think its paint, but its those mask in question.

Funny how CoF posted a Peta2.com thingy, when they used to put (real) pig heads on stakes onstage as a joke.

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Permalink Reply by Scott Milliorn on June 8, 2009 at 12:56am

Thing that bothers me about not just CoF but anyone associated with Peta, Peta2, etc. is the fact that they support terrorism. They have put on there payroll people that have firebombed science labs and murdered scientist doing so. One of there terrorist was on the FBI List, named Rodney Coronado. He became famous for firebombing several labs with his affiliate ALF (Animal Liberation Front). It was originally denied he was on there payroll until tax records proved he was on Peta's payroll. He isn't one of the convicted murders funded by them, but he is the most documented terrorist for Peta.

To support Peta is to support hypocrisy. PETA president Ingrid Newkirk is a diabetic. That medicine required for testing to SAVE her life, is done with animals. She says its a necessity. Part of her slogan even condemns us of having animals for our entertainment purpose such as pets! Hell, that makes CoF a violator by having an animal in the Born in a Burial Gown video. EVEN WORSE Dani stabbing a cat an eating its innards (fake or not they do not care)!

They condemn animal cruelty, but condone euthanizing themselves. How do they do this? They put them in a meat locker an freeze them to sleep. They deny this, but then again they do have a $15,000 meat locker on tax papers.

Ok I'm done ranting. I just get mad when organizations pull a fear monging campaign on legitimate people and celebrities for support. As for Sarah on another thread stating that how can we prove we where not carnivorious, then how the hell do you explain an 'appendix' in your gut? It was our second stomach to digest RAW meat and to collect bacteria for it. People are now being born without them now only cause we have processed an cooked the meat over time an have evolved from it. This means we naturally are omnivores.