Commercialization of Satanism
Satanism described in your songs sound absolutely wonderful , but the connection between the band Cradle of Filth and Satanism its just a commercial one? I am studying traditional Satanism for several years now, i know you all heard this question like a thousand times before, Satanism in my opinion is not expressed by a group of people, with painted face and bold voice. Satanism is by nature the contradiction of every existing law, be it sacred or not. The worship of deities who manage to make this contradiction is another matter. Satanism for you is a point of view or the worship of the old gods....At litteram?
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Permalink Reply by xxy on -
@Supercunt69: Then what the snake simbolise? Attraction to brake any law, no mater how sacred it is. No law can be betwen you and your personal achievement.
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Permalink Reply by Duvessa on -
I don't really want to stay/become friends with anyone so instead of deleting the stupid replies I will delete this whole discussion if it goes to as bad as it was few pages back.
If you don't like discussion here then don't reply and hope it drops to oblivion or just skip it.
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Permalink Reply by Duvessa on
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I hate that people use the poor snake to be the root of all evil. The snake was the truth, God was lying (if you read Bible you can agree). So don't know how the snake represents anyway contradicting the laws of any kind.
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Permalink Reply by xxy on
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I don't agree, God said that the fucking tree was the Tree of knowledge. Man couldn't be so stupid to not realise what "The Tree of Knowledge" means. The snake didnt full the woman, the woman knewed the consequences for eating the apple. She just needed someone to agree with her. In principle the woman wants to brake the rules. And when a person agrees with a woman, the woman gets some guts. And then the nightmare begins. Adam was inocent i tell you. :))
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Permalink Reply by Duvessa on
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God/Yahweh: "You may eat indeed of all the trees in the garden.
17 Nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good
and evil you are not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you
shall most surely die."
Snake: "No! You will not
die!
5 "God knows in fact that on the day you eat it your
eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing
good and evil."
Did they die? No. Did they open their eyes and see? Yes.
So what part of that don't you understand that God lied, snake didn't? Or more likely God tried to hide the truth, snake didn't.
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Permalink Reply by Laura Woodley on -
I am quite fed of the amount of ridiculous posts, people thinking its funny to spell stupidly, going totally off topic and people jumping on the band wagon joining in.
If you can't have a discussion in an adult way, don't waste your time making topics stupid. If the subject of the topic is not of your taste, move onto one you have a civilized convocation in.
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Permalink Reply by xxy on
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So who lied Ceril? God or the snake. You said God. From the fragment its clear the fact that God specified the death of the man. I am no cristian but it seems God presented that the tree containes knowledge and brings death, he didnt say that it will be an instant death - i remind you, in those times man was immortal. After the men has left the garden of eden he started to die. Anyway, The death of a free man is actually the eliberation of the spirit. Better to die then be a slave. But still the snake lied, not God. ;)
CeriInTheMist said:God/Yahweh: "You may eat indeed of all the trees in the garden.
17 Nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die." Snake: "No! You will not die! 5 "God knows in fact that on the day you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil." Did they die? No. Did they open their eyes and see? Yes. So what part of that don't you understand that God lied, snake didn't? Or more likely God tried to hide the truth, snake didn't.
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Permalink Reply by xxy on
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Why i do not believe in Satan/God existence. (my own personal opinion and theorem)
1. The non-existence of God.
If God is almighty, and he can create all things, walking on whater, flying, making wine from water, summoning fish and bread, resurecting the death and himself etc... etc... in conclusion defying every fizic and universe law than he can create a stone so heavy that even he can not lift, am I right?
1.a) If he can not create the stone then he is not almighty. He loses the status of God.
1.b) Otherway if he can not lift the stone, he is not almighty again, and again he lose his status.
So the perception of a superior entity is fake, it contradicts it self from the begining.
2. Now is verry easy to show that Satan does not exists either. He never existed because from theorem 1. a) b) - God does not exists so Satan had no creator fom the first place.
But we exist and if we exist and God/Satan not it means that Christianity and Satanism beliefes are lies.
So dear Ceril, i showed you how a theorem is made and how a thousand years old religion can fall in front of a few wise words.
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Permalink Reply by xxy on
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I really don't care what others believes.... they may believe what ever they want to believe .... the most important thing is that i found the answer to my questions. My answers are not the answers of others. Maybe you dont want to hear the truth, maybe this is not the truth, maybe there is no truth. This is the beauty of life. Free selection, surprise and disappointment.
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Permalink Reply by Duvessa on
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He didn't?
Tamba Viorel said:he didnt say that it will be an instant death
CeriInTheMist said:God/Yahweh: "You may eat indeed of all the trees in the garden.
17 Nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die." Snake: "No! You will not die! 5 "God knows in fact that on the day you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil." Did they die? No. Did they open their eyes and see? Yes. So what part of that don't you understand that God lied, snake didn't? Or more likely God tried to hide the truth, snake didn't.
22 Then Yahweh God said, "See, the man has become
like one of us, with his knowledge of good and evil. He
must not be allowed to stretch his hand out next and pick
from the tree of life also, and eat some and live forever."
So really God doesn't want Adam and Eve to become gods/truly like him. If he would've told them what the trees would give them then he would've told the truth and not lied about dying.
But that's all repetition of Prometheus vs. Zeus story.
I will go with reekarphyceae: if you believe in something you really don't look for facts. Otherwise there wouldn't be religions. It's called faith people have and you don't need facts for ground of faith.
Anyone can make the theorem you just made and honestly, it doesn't prove anything ;) It's just whole bunch of ifs. And I too have heard/seen it before, you can't honestly believe that you made it yourself before anyone else? Also if God was all-knowing he would've known beforehands Eve would eat from the tree and not come around calling for them and then be surprised they actually ate from the tree.
God being out there is possible but not probable. Why you have to make theorems on the base for you not believing in God/Satan? Do you really have to give a reason why you don't? University religion teacher told me that there are two kinds of students that apply for religion science in uni: ones who want to prove others wrong/themselves right and others who are genuinely interested in different religions. I think you fall to category one based on your opinions here.
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